DSD Clicks Still Present

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Re: DSD Clicks Still Present

Post by AnnieBody »

If, as you claim the clicks appear BETWEEN tracks then they would not be included in the track itself. The music track is just that: a music track. It is not a combination of a music track and an unknown file of an imaginary blank name and blank file extension that gets added to the end and beginning.
Anyway, you appear to now recognise the click, so my original question of how to remove them (for all ISO files converted to DSD) still stands.
I want to play the DSD music as intended and not have to downgrade it in order to remove the clicks.
Previous request have been made for this feature, so if it still exists you should advise customers that XRecode adds clicks to the tracks which don't appear on the originals.
Are you able to remove the DSD clicks in XRecode as others have managed to do?
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Re: DSD Clicks Still Present

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Here's the update to try - https://xrecode.com/test2/setup_xrecode ... _1.116.exe
There's a new option under Extract button - https://imgur.com/RaTuWTv
It is currently only for extracting files from the iso (and not used when extracting iso in CUE/Merge).
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Re: DSD Clicks Still Present

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Here's the update to try ...116.exe
I tried for my case
a) using my method described above - clicks are still there;
b) using new option under Extract button - I got the message
"23.01.2022 12:33:48: ERROR: Z:\zzzzz.iso / C:\Users\yyyyy\Music\05. Down.dsf : Access violation at address 000000006CB41A91 in module 'd_writer.dll'. Read of address 000000000B494010"
By the way there is a possibility to use only SWR resampler by encoding in this version. SOX is not available.
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Re: DSD Clicks Still Present

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Here's another update to try - https://xrecode.com/test2/setup_xrecode ... _1.116.exe
SOX is back.
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Re: DSD Clicks Still Present

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SOX is back.
Version 1776 was downloaded under "another update". No SOX available, clicks are still there.
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Re: DSD Clicks Still Present

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1784 is the version from the link above - SOX is there https://imgur.com/bhijqvA
If you're still getting clicks, could you, please, share the original file to me via xrecode@gmail.com?
I cannot reproduce them with the test files I have.

Edit: did you still use the extract/merge method or just extract using the NoPad method and listened to the individual tracks?
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Re: DSD Clicks Still Present

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Version 1776 is downloaded and installed under the last link. Seems strange. I tried several times. Would you please check it again.
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Re: DSD Clicks Still Present

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Seems like it's cached somewhere. I renamed the file https://xrecode.com/test2/Asetup_xrecod ... _1.116.exe
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Re: DSD Clicks Still Present

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So.
1) I tried sequencing described here:
ilk2011 wrote: Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:33 pm 1. Extract tracks as .dff (I use usually 352800 s.r.)
2. Merge them with cue creation
3. Encode merged .dff to .wav (88200-24bit)
4. Listen to (or look at) the "silence" between songs. Here they are. Guaranteed between side A and B on corresponding songs on LP.
Click is still here.
2) I tried to use recommended new option and got
24.01.2022 21:16:02: ERROR: Z:\zzzzz.iso / C:\Users\zzzzz\Music\05. Down.dsf : Access violation at address 000000006CB41D77 in module 'd_writer.dll'. Write of address 0000000000000004
I have sent to you ISO file. Please, pay attention to the gap between 5 and 6 tracks.
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Re: DSD Clicks Still Present

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Here's the update to try https://xrecode.com/test2/setup_xrecode ... _1.116.exe
I removed the experimental NoPad option, as it didn't really help.

The difference between dff and dsf is that dff is exact 1:1 copy of the iso, the bytes are extracted to dff as is, where in dsf, bytes are arranged in a blocks (usually 4096 bytes per channel), and bits are reversed. If there're not enough bytes in the current file, the block is padded with 0, to make up the missing space. This is what I tried to avoid, but it didn't help much.

At least in my tests there were no clicks with the .dff files, and some random (at the end of the track) clicks with the .dsf.
My suggestion is to use the .dff wherever possible, as it's the exact copy of the .iso and also offers the Metadata support.

For some .iso files, I compared the .dsf and .dff and they were bit-exact, but the .dsf would still produce the click, so it's very strange.

I'll continue to investigate this issue further.
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